Hawaiian okina

[Clay McKell]

Can anyone suggest a proper way of typesetting the Hawaiian letter <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOkina">'okina</a>?

Right now, my workaround is to write Hawai$\!$`i ...i.e. shrink the
distance that LaTex wants to give the left quotation mark (grave
accent on my keyboard). This could also be done with an \mbox I
suppose, but the "slash-bang" hack works OK.

Any suggestions on a proper implementation?

Thanks,
Clay

[Tom Dye]

Post by Clay McKell
Can anyone suggest a proper way of typesetting the Hawaiian letter <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOkina">'okina</a>?
Right now, my workaround is to write Hawai$\!$`i ...i.e. shrink the
distance that LaTex wants to give the left quotation mark (grave
accent on my keyboard). This could also be done with an \mbox I
suppose, but the "slash-bang" hack works OK.
Any suggestions on a proper implementation?
Thanks,
Clay

Hi Clay,

We've been using left quotation mark for years and haven't noticed a
problem. I've looked into this a few times and have never been able to
come up with a good idea of what the problem really is with the left
quotation mark.

So, my question is what makes a "proper implementation?"

All the best,
Tom

[Clay McKell]

Post by Tom Dye

Post by Clay McKell
Can anyone suggest a proper way of typesetting the Hawaiian letter <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOkina">'okina</a>?
Right now, my workaround is to write Hawai$\!$`i ...i.e. shrink the
distance that LaTex wants to give the left quotation mark (grave
accent on my keyboard).  This could also be done with an \mbox I
suppose, but the "slash-bang" hack works OK.
Any suggestions on a proper implementation?
Thanks,
Clay

Hi Clay,
We've been using left quotation mark for years and haven't noticed a
problem.  I've looked into this a few times and have never been able to
come up with a good idea of what the problem really is with the left
quotation mark.
So, my question is what makes a "proper implementation?"
All the best,
Tom
--
Tom Dye
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Honolulu, Hawai`i

Hi Tom,
Thanks for the reply.
Far from being an expert in Hawaiian language matters, it appears to
me that an 'okina occupies less horizontal space than Latex likes to
give quotation marks.
I suppose we can treat this as an authority on the subject:
http://www.olelo.hawaii.edu/olelo/puana/okina.php
which says that left quotation marks are just fine.

[Tom Dye]

Post by Clay McKell

Post by Tom Dye

Post by Clay McKell
Can anyone suggest a proper way of typesetting the Hawaiian letter <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOkina">'okina</a>?
Right now, my workaround is to write Hawai$\!$`i ...i.e. shrink the
distance that LaTex wants to give the left quotation mark (grave
accent on my keyboard).  This could also be done with an \mbox I
suppose, but the "slash-bang" hack works OK.
Any suggestions on a proper implementation?
Thanks,
Clay

Hi Clay,
We've been using left quotation mark for years and haven't noticed a
problem.  I've looked into this a few times and have never been able to
come up with a good idea of what the problem really is with the left
quotation mark.
So, my question is what makes a "proper implementation?"
All the best,
Tom
--
Tom Dye
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Honolulu, Hawai`i

Hi Tom,
Thanks for the reply.
Far from being an expert in Hawaiian language matters, it appears to
me that an 'okina occupies less horizontal space than Latex likes to
give quotation marks.
http://www.olelo.hawaii.edu/olelo/puana/okina.php
which says that left quotation marks are just fine.

Thanks Clay, you've dispelled a nagging doubt I've had for years. I
should have thought to poke around the `olelo web pages at Hilo. If
you come up with a typesetting solution that looks superior, please
stay in touch. We're always looking for ways to improve production of
our reports.

All the best,
Tom

[Peter Flynn]

Post by Tom Dye

Post by Clay McKell

Post by Tom Dye

Post by Clay McKell
Can anyone suggest a proper way of typesetting the Hawaiian letter <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOkina">'okina</a>?
Right now, my workaround is to write Hawai$\!$`i ...i.e. shrink the
distance that LaTex wants to give the left quotation mark (grave
accent on my keyboard). This could also be done with an \mbox I
suppose, but the "slash-bang" hack works OK.
Any suggestions on a proper implementation?
Thanks,
Clay

Hi Clay,
We've been using left quotation mark for years and haven't noticed a
problem. I've looked into this a few times and have never been able to
come up with a good idea of what the problem really is with the left
quotation mark.
So, my question is what makes a "proper implementation?"
All the best,
Tom
--
Tom Dye
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Honolulu, Hawai`i

Hi Tom,
Thanks for the reply.
Far from being an expert in Hawaiian language matters, it appears to
me that an 'okina occupies less horizontal space than Latex likes to
give quotation marks.
http://www.olelo.hawaii.edu/olelo/puana/okina.php
which says that left quotation marks are just fine.

Thanks Clay, you've dispelled a nagging doubt I've had for years. I
should have thought to poke around the `olelo web pages at Hilo. If you
come up with a typesetting solution that looks superior, please stay in
touch. We're always looking for ways to improve production of our reports.

For comparison:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{calc}
\newlength{\okinalen}
\setlength{\okinalen}{\widthof{'}}
\begin{document}
\noindent Hawai\hbox to.666\okinalen{\hss`\hss}i\\Hawai`i\\Hawai$\!$`i
\end{document}

///Peter

[Tom Dye]

Post by Peter Flynn

Post by Tom Dye

Post by Clay McKell

Post by Tom Dye

Post by Clay McKell
Can anyone suggest a proper way of typesetting the Hawaiian letter <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOkina">'okina</a>?
Right now, my workaround is to write Hawai$\!$`i ...i.e. shrink the
distance that LaTex wants to give the left quotation mark (grave
accent on my keyboard). This could also be done with an \mbox I
suppose, but the "slash-bang" hack works OK.
Any suggestions on a proper implementation?
Thanks,
Clay

Hi Clay,
We've been using left quotation mark for years and haven't noticed a
problem. I've looked into this a few times and have never been able to
come up with a good idea of what the problem really is with the left
quotation mark.
So, my question is what makes a "proper implementation?"
All the best,
Tom
--
Tom Dye
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Honolulu, Hawai`i

Hi Tom,
Thanks for the reply.
Far from being an expert in Hawaiian language matters, it appears to
me that an 'okina occupies less horizontal space than Latex likes to
give quotation marks.
http://www.olelo.hawaii.edu/olelo/puana/okina.php
which says that left quotation marks are just fine.

Thanks Clay, you've dispelled a nagging doubt I've had for years. I
should have thought to poke around the `olelo web pages at Hilo. If you
come up with a typesetting solution that looks superior, please stay in
touch. We're always looking for ways to improve production of our reports.

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{calc}
\newlength{\okinalen}
\setlength{\okinalen}{\widthof{'}}
\begin{document}
\noindent Hawai\hbox to.666\okinalen{\hss`\hss}i\\Hawai`i\\Hawai$\!$`i
\end{document}
///Peter

Aloha Peter,

This is brilliant. In our case, seeing was believing. It was easy to
see that the first solution is superior.

Thanks!

Tom

[r***@gmail.com]

Hi

I am also looking at a way of properly using the macron accent (the horizontal bar) over an "i" in latex... I would appreciate some help, as the usual \={i} will produce the macron over the dot of the 'i"...

Thanks...

[Axel Berger]

Post by r***@gmail.com
the usual \={i}

\={\i}

Axel