No dagger sign in \thanks

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Hendrik Maryns

2013-06-02 14:15:45 UTC

Hi,

If you have two \thanks in the titlepage, the second one gets a
\dagger as footnotemark. This looks as if the person is dead.

How to change the symbol to something else without that connotation?
(E.g. **)

Hm, alright, this seems to be the solution:
http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=16568

I have the impression I am not the first one stumbling over this, 2
reviewers pointed this out to me. Maybe \@fnSymbol should be
redefined by default?

Cheers, H.
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Enrico Gregorio

2013-06-02 15:47:23 UTC

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Hi,
If you have two \thanks in the titlepage, the second one gets a
\dagger as footnotemark. This looks as if the person is dead.
How to change the symbol to something else without that connotation?
(E.g. **)
http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=16568
I have the impression I am not the first one stumbling over this, 2
redefined by default?

The dagger does not mean that a person is dead. It's a
long standing typographical symbol. If you want, redefine
\@fnsymbol; this is the original definition:

\def\@fnsymbol#1{\ensuremath{\ifcase#1\or *\or \dagger\or \ddagger\or
\mathsection\or \mathparagraph\or \|\or **\or \dagger\dagger
\or \ddagger\ddagger \else\@ctrerr\fi}}

You can remove the offending symbol, if you want:

\makeatletter
\def\@fnsymbol#1{\ensuremath{\ifcase#1\or *\or \ddagger\or
\mathsection\or \mathparagraph\or \|\or **\or
\ddagger\ddagger \else\@ctrerr\fi}}
\makeatother

You'll have less symbols available, but seven should be sufficient
for most purposes.

The footmisc package has an interface for defining new sets of
symbols.

Ciao
Enrico

Lee Rudolph

2013-06-02 17:31:54 UTC

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Post by Enrico Gregorio

The dagger does not mean that a person is dead. It's a
long standing typographical symbol.

Indeed, it's its standing length that most immediately
distinguishes from the short, squat Maltese cross, which
*does* (generally) signal that the name to which it is
attached belonged to someone (usually recently) dead.

Lee Rudolph

Peter Flynn

2013-06-02 23:23:19 UTC

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Post by Lee Rudolph

Post by Enrico Gregorio

The dagger does not mean that a person is dead. It's a
long standing typographical symbol.

I think this is cultural. In the English-speaking cultures, the dagger
has been the second-choice to the asterisk as a reference mark for
several hundred years. The traditional Christian cross is of similar
size but of monoline construction (✝, two plain black lines; whereas in
a normal font, the dagger † is usually designed to look like a dagger,
with a hilt and a point). I believe the Maltese cross in this culture is
used by a bishop signing his name, eg ✠ Stephen Elien.

///Peter

Robin Fairbairns

2013-06-02 23:25:53 UTC

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Post by Enrico Gregorio

Post by Hendrik Maryns
If you have two \thanks in the titlepage, the second one gets a
\dagger as footnotemark. This looks as if the person is dead.
How to change the symbol to something else without that connotation?
(E.g. **)
http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=16568

i've not looked at that, but the footmisc package provides a scheme for
changing what gets used in symbolic footnote marks (which is what these
things are).

Post by Enrico Gregorio

Post by Hendrik Maryns
I have the impression I am not the first one stumbling over this, 2
reviewers pointed this out to me.

that's as may be. however, i've been reading this newsgroup since it
was newgroup'ed (late 80s or early 90s) and have never seen any post
similar to yours.
no chance. it's part of latex, and latex is frozen.

Post by Enrico Gregorio
The dagger does not mean that a person is dead. It's a
long standing typographical symbol.

indeed.

Post by Enrico Gregorio
If you want, redefine
\mathsection\or \mathparagraph\or \|\or **\or \dagger\dagger
[...]
The footmisc package has an interface for defining new sets of
symbols.

hendrik's reviewers seem a little paranoid, sort of like homeland
security people ... "death is around every corner".

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Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge

Hendrik Maryns

2013-06-05 18:21:46 UTC

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Post by Robin Fairbairns

Post by Hendrik Maryns
If you have two \thanks in the titlepage, the second one gets
a \dagger as footnotemark. This looks as if the person is
dead.
How to change the symbol to something else without that
connotation? (E.g. **)
http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=16568

i've not looked at that, but the footmisc package provides a scheme
for changing what gets used in symbolic footnote marks (which is
what these things are).

Post by Hendrik Maryns
I have the impression I am not the first one stumbling over
this, 2 reviewers pointed this out to me.

that's as may be. however, i've been reading this newsgroup since
it was newgroup'ed (late 80s or early 90s) and have never seen any
post similar to yours.
no chance. it's part of latex, and latex is frozen.

The dagger does not mean that a person is dead. It's a long
standing typographical symbol.

indeed.

\ddagger\or \mathsection\or \mathparagraph\or \|\or **\or
[...]
The footmisc package has an interface for defining new sets of
symbols.

hendrik's reviewers seem a little paranoid, sort of like homeland
security people ... "death is around every corner".

LOL!

Thanks all for your comments. I think, since it is a paper I have to
submit for a study, I?ll just take the safe road of redefining
@fnsymbol as above, but thanks for pointing out footmisc.

Cheers, H.

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