helvetica font +math + siunitx

[Stefan Pinnow]

Hello all,

sorry, but I have no clue how to bring it to work.
My boss wants to have the helvetica as default font. But how do I change the
math font to fit the helvetica. The siunitx package at least seams to use
the math font of the helvetica, right?

Many thanks for your help and
best regards

Stefan Pinnow

% ----- minimal example -----
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{helvet}
\renewcommand{\familydefault}{\sfdefault}
\usepackage{upgreek}
\usepackage{siunitx}
\begin{document}
\noindent
10\,m \\
\SI{10}{\micro\meter} \\
$10\,\upmu \mathrm{m}$
\end{document}

[Lars Madsen]

Post by Stefan Pinnow
Hello all,
sorry, but I have no clue how to bring it to work.
My boss wants to have the helvetica as default font. But how do I change
the math font to fit the helvetica. The siunitx package at least seams
to use the math font of the helvetica, right?
Many thanks for your help and
best regards
Stefan Pinnow
% ----- minimal example -----
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{helvet}
\renewcommand{\familydefault}{\sfdefault}
\usepackage{upgreek}
\usepackage{siunitx}
\begin{document}
\noindent
10\,m \\
\SI{10}{\micro\meter} \\
$10\,\upmu \mathrm{m}$
\end{document}

might be better to use another sans serif font than helvetica (remember
that as far as I know) helvet is not the true helvetica, and helvet

Have a look in

http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/mathfonts.html

for free fonts with math support

[Arash Esbati]

Post by Lars Madsen
Have a look in
http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/mathfonts.html
for free fonts with math support

Lars, are you somehow involved in the maintenance of the site?

On this page[1], we have:

,----[ MnSymbol ]
| The MnSymbol package provides math support for the Adobe MinionPro
| fonts, but may also work with other fonts. The MnSymbol package is not
| part of TeX Live, but can be found on CTAN at
| http://www.ctan.org/info?id=mnsymbol.
`----

MnSymbol is part of TeXLive 2010, collection-fontextra.


Footnotes:
[1] http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/math.html

[Lars Madsen]

Post by Arash Esbati

Post by Lars Madsen
Have a look in
http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/mathfonts.html
for free fonts with math support

Lars, are you somehow involved in the maintenance of the site?
,----[ MnSymbol ]
| The MnSymbol package provides math support for the Adobe MinionPro
| fonts, but may also work with other fonts. The MnSymbol package is not
| part of TeX Live, but can be found on CTAN at
| http://www.ctan.org/info?id=mnsymbol.
`----
MnSymbol is part of TeXLive 2010, collection-fontextra.
[1] http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/math.html

I'm the president ;-)

I'll inform the maintainer

it is also a part of TL09

[AES]

Post by Lars Madsen
Have a look in
http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/mathfonts.html
for free fonts with math support

But what does "math support" _mean_ in this context?

And how does one _use_ such a font package or collection?

Specifically, suppose I have a completely vanilla TeXLive 2010
installation on a Mac; I'm working entirely in English and needing only
the standard math symbols built into TeX; and I'm using only TeXShop,
Plain TeX, and pdftex to TeX my documents.

If I don't place any special magic incantations at the start of my
source files, presumably my document (math and all) will be properly
typeset using the standard Computer Modern font set, without my
having to think about it.

But suppose I want to use some other font set that has "math support"
(preferably one that's included in TexLive) by just telling TeX at the
start to use this other font set.

Is there a way to do this without a whole bunch of additional magic
incantations?

[Lars Madsen]

Post by AES

Post by Lars Madsen
Have a look in
http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/mathfonts.html
for free fonts with math support

But what does "math support" _mean_ in this context?

nothing other that it will also choose a suitable set of math fonts

That is shown for each font

Post by AES
And how does one _use_ such a font package or collection?
Specifically, suppose I have a completely vanilla TeXLive 2010
installation on a Mac; I'm working entirely in English and needing only
the standard math symbols built into TeX; and I'm using only TeXShop,
Plain TeX, and pdftex to TeX my documents.

then you may have a problem, all of it is for LaTeX not plain, handling
fonts in plain TeX is not easy to handle (I have no idea as to how to
handle it)

Post by AES
If I don't place any special magic incantations at the start of my
source files, presumably my document (math and all) will be properly
typeset using the standard Computer Modern font set, without my
having to think about it.
But suppose I want to use some other font set that has "math support"
(preferably one that's included in TexLive) by just telling TeX at the
start to use this other font set.
Is there a way to do this without a whole bunch of additional magic
incantations?

[Bob Tennent]

Post by AES
If I don't place any special magic incantations at the start of my
source files, presumably my document (math and all) will be properly
typeset using the standard Computer Modern font set, without my
having to think about it.
But suppose I want to use some other font set that has "math support"
(preferably one that's included in TexLive) by just telling TeX at the
start to use this other font set.
Is there a way to do this without a whole bunch of additional magic
incantations?

Try

\usepackage{mathpazo}

or

\usepackage{mathptmx}

(I presume by "telling TeX" you really meant telling LaTeX or pdfLaTeX.)

Bob T.

[AES]

Post by Bob Tennent
Try
\usepackage{mathpazo}
or
\usepackage{mathptmx}
(I presume by "telling TeX" you really meant telling LaTeX or pdfLaTeX.)

Ah, that's the sad part. I'm no TeXpert, but I'm fluent enough in Plain
TeX and elementary macro composition that I much prefer
working in Plain TeX to having to learn and use a complex macro
package like LaTeX, that's actually harder to use than Plain TeX
in certain ways

[Bob Tennent]

Post by AES

Post by Bob Tennent
Try
\usepackage{mathpazo}
or
\usepackage{mathptmx}
(I presume by "telling TeX" you really meant telling LaTeX or pdfLaTeX.)

Ah, that's the sad part. I'm no TeXpert, but I'm fluent enough in Plain
TeX and elementary macro composition that I much prefer
working in Plain TeX to having to learn and use a complex macro
package like LaTeX, that's actually harder to use than Plain TeX
in certain ways

Maybe in certain ways, but not in using non-standard fonts.

[AES]

Post by Bob Tennent

Post by AES

Post by Bob Tennent
Try
\usepackage{mathpazo}
or
\usepackage{mathptmx}
(I presume by "telling TeX" you really meant telling LaTeX or pdfLaTeX.)

Ah, that's the sad part. I'm no TeXpert, but I'm fluent enough in Plain
TeX and elementary macro composition that I much prefer
working in Plain TeX to having to learn and use a complex macro
package like LaTeX, that's actually harder to use than Plain TeX
in certain ways

Maybe in certain ways, but not in using non-standard fonts.

You know, these packages tell LaTeX how to do what's needed -- they're
just in effect translators -- which means somebody knew what needed to
be translated to shift to the other font set -- and LaTeX is really just
running TeX behind the scenes -- so it shouldn't be that difficult to
write a modified package to tell Plain TeX what to do -- ???

[Bob Tennent]

Post by AES

Post by Bob Tennent

Post by AES
Ah, that's the sad part. I'm no TeXpert, but I'm fluent enough in Plain
TeX and elementary macro composition that I much prefer
working in Plain TeX to having to learn and use a complex macro
package like LaTeX, that's actually harder to use than Plain TeX
in certain ways

Maybe in certain ways, but not in using non-standard fonts.

You know, these packages tell LaTeX how to do what's needed -- they're
just in effect translators -- which means somebody knew what needed to
be translated to shift to the other font set -- and LaTeX is really just
running TeX behind the scenes -- so it shouldn't be that difficult to
write a modified package to tell Plain TeX what to do -- ???

So you think using LaTeX is too hard but expect somebody else to provide
you with a package that gives you LaTeX functionality in Plain TeX. And
in your estimation this shouldn't be too difficult. Good luck. I'd guess
that you'd have to offer TeXperts a significant amount of financial
compensation.

Bob T.

[Robin Fairbairns]

Post by Bob Tennent

Post by AES

Post by Bob Tennent

Post by AES
Ah, that's the sad part. I'm no TeXpert, but I'm fluent
enough in Plain TeX and elementary macro composition that I
much prefer working in Plain TeX to having to learn and use a
complex macro package like LaTeX, that's actually harder to
use than Plain TeX in certain ways

Maybe in certain ways, but not in using non-standard fonts.

You know, these packages tell LaTeX how to do what's needed -- they're
just in effect translators -- which means somebody knew what needed to
be translated to shift to the other font set -- and LaTeX is really just
running TeX behind the scenes -- so it shouldn't be that difficult to
write a modified package to tell Plain TeX what to do -- ???

So you think using LaTeX is too hard but expect somebody else to provide
you with a package that gives you LaTeX functionality in Plain TeX. And
in your estimation this shouldn't be too difficult. Good luck. I'd guess
that you'd have to offer TeXperts a significant amount of financial
compensation.
Bob T.

some of that work has been done. unfortunately, the resulting macros
are rather complex, so aes probably won't like them. the faq
discusses the alternatives.

http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=fonts-pln

why are they complex? because they don't have the mechanisms (that
latex or context provide by default) sitting behind them. each one
duplicates or substitutes part of latex[*], in the impoverished
environment of plain tex.

[*] i don't know of one that's modelled on context